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		<title>Interpreting the Bible</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 03:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you never thought there was something seriously wrong with the Holy Bible, maybe you should see what devout Bible teachers have to say about it and its foretelling of prophecy:
The way to identify the beast is by counting. In ancient times, letters of the alphabet served as numbers. The first nine letters stood for [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you never thought there was something seriously wrong with the Holy Bible, maybe you should see what devout <a title="Biblicist - Bibli-cyst?" href="http://www.biblicist.org/">Bible teachers</a> have to say about it and its foretelling of prophecy:</p>
<blockquote><p><a title="The mythology that a person can be a demon (anti-christ)" href="http://www.biblicist.org/prophecy/6TheAnti-Christ.htm">The way to identify the beast</a> is by counting. In ancient times, letters of the alphabet served as numbers. The first nine letters stood for the numbers one through nine, and the next nine for the numbers ten through ninety, and so on. In Greek, the current alphabet did not have enough letters, so certain obsolete letters and signs supplemented the system. Every name yielded a number.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>However, the identity of the person represented by the number 666 should not be a subject of speculation until that person arrives on the earthly scene. The person to whom 666 applies must have been future to apostle John’s time, because John clearly meant the number to be recognizable to someone. If it was not discernible to his generation, the generation to whom it will be discernible must have lain in the future. If 666 is the number of a future individual, attempts to identify past entities through the number are futile.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is just sad. There is an entire <a title="It's free!!" href="http://www.biblicist.org/prophecy/BibleProphecy.shtml">Bible Prophecy class</a> if you are so inclined.  How about judging the Bible in its historical context versus establishing basic human rights for all:</p>
<blockquote><p>Often <a title="Complete Insanity This Way..." href="http://www.jcdisciples.org/biblestudies/interpretingthebible.html">Bible verses that seem unfair or discriminatory</a> to us need to be viewed within their historical or cultural context. For instance the Bible does not condemn slavery and in fact the Bible actually codifies the rules for keeping slaves. Today we find slavery abhorrent and for some of us the idea that the Bible codifies how slaves are to be treated is very upsetting. But in its historic and cultural context that codification of how slaves are to be treated was in fact a hard thing for people of that time to live up to. In other words, that codification made the life for the slave in Israel better than the slaves life would be someplace else.</p></blockquote>
<p>Jesus H. Christ in a hand basket&#8230; slavery has always been abhorrent.  You think that GOD &#8211; the creator of the universe, good, evil, etc. would have clued humanity in a couple of millenia ago if it slavery was bad, right? This alone should invalidate the Bible for any right-minded person.  And then there is <a title="So close, yet so self-deluded" href="http://www.reallivepreacher.com/rlparchive/preachersstory">Gordon Atkinson</a> who successfully made it out of the muck, but then slid back:</p>
<blockquote><p>I looked in the restroom mirror and said, “I do not believe in God.” I knew this  was the truth and felt the need to say it out loud. I was on the other side now.  I was an unbeliever. It was like waking up in Tokyo and noticing to your great  surprise that you&#8217;ve become Japanese. You weren’t raised in Japan, and you have  no idea how to use chopsticks. What the hell are you gonna do with yourself? [Huh?]</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t the experience with Jenny [a woman that died of breast cancer that could not be saved with prayer] that caused my break with God. It was the  kids in Mexico, my difficulty in believing parts of the bible, the phony  Christians I met along the way, and the hundreds of prayers that seemed  unanswered. Jenny was just the last ping of a hammer that had been working on my  foundation for a long time.</p></blockquote>
<p>It breaks my heart.  Here is a man that &#8220;works his ass off&#8221; [his words] helping people and doing good works, and then he gives the credit to God.  What the hell?!  Dude&#8230; there are plenty of people doing good in the world that are <a title="Debunking Christianity (Christian Mythology)" href="http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2006/02/my-conversiondeconversion-story.html">not beholden to mythology</a>.  I wish you would reconvert to your birth state (non-believer, pre-brainwashing) and join us without the distraction of God looking over your shoulder.  I think meditation (aka prayer) is wonderful, but don&#8217;t pretend someone is listening.</span></p>
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		<title>A Message of Hope</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As interesting as the book Atheists: A Groundbreaking Study of America’s Nonbelievers is, I think I take issue with its groundbreakingness. 
It suffers from what appears to be very common when studying atheists &#8211; the study considers only absolute non-believers (°Faith=zero).  This seems to compromise their study in a number of ways relating to sample size and reasonable [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As interesting as the book <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1591024137?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=silvermaple-20&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1789&amp;creative=9325&amp;creativeASIN=1591024137" title="Book Link">Atheists: A Groundbreaking Study of America’s Nonbelievers</a> is, I think I take issue with its groundbreakingness. </p>
<p>It suffers from what appears to be very common when studying atheists &#8211; the study considers only absolute non-believers (<a href="http://www.laytheism.com/blog/?p=9" title="100 Degrees of Faith">°Faith=zero</a>).  This seems to compromise their study in a number of ways relating to sample size and reasonable cross-section of the population (bias).  I give them credit for trying, but I wonder if it’s possible to do even better… via the Internet.   Their study was entire on paper, mailed to atheist organizations.  Now that fact alone seems to seriously narrow the sample.  My lack of belief is at a place where I would be perfectly happy and enjoy myself in a room full of atheists, but the likelihood of me joining a club that meets face-to-face to chat about is pretty much nil.  (By the way, why do the <a href="http://ffrf.org" title="Freedom from Religion Foundation">ffrf</a> and other organizations have to come off so weird? Where are the mainstream non-believers?)</p>
<p>So, the question that floats through my head is, How many people kinda like me are out there?  I wouldn’t presume to be a silent majority, but I think the numbers are probably much higher than estimated even in the US. </p>
<p>Life without Faith points out a <a href="http://lifewithoutfaith.com/index.php?/archives/34-Theres-Hope-for-America,-If-We-Follow-Britains-Example.html" title="Hope for Us">more encouraging result</a> from the UK Times Online.  Has anyone seen a really strong survey or methodology for finding out the true faith makeup of the US population?  Every study I have seen is seriously flawed in some way.</p>
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		<title>100 Degrees of Belief</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought I would try something here&#8230;
A Belief-o-meter!  Let me know if you think I have it close.  I&#8217;m afraid I may have the labels all wrong.  And where do Televangelists go?  What about that Catholic girl you knew in high school that smoked weed and screwed everything in sight, but confessed weekly?
So, basically, Atheist = [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought I would try something here&#8230;</p>
<p>A Belief-o-meter!  Let me know if you think I have it close.  I&#8217;m afraid I may have the labels all wrong.  And where do Televangelists go?  What about that Catholic girl you knew in high school that smoked weed and screwed everything in sight, but confessed weekly?</p>
<p>So, basically, Atheist = Absolute Zero and the real nutballs that would kill or die strictly for their religious dogma (vs. say dying for freedom or liberty) would be, for example, Islamic Jihadists = 100.  Then you have all the zombies in between&#8230; the folks that go through life never really questioning the odd traditions that they were brought up with.  The Sunday/Wednesday Christians (very popular with the Southern Baptists), the Cussin&#8217; Christians (it&#8217;s OK to say &#8216;Fuck&#8217;&#8230; WHAT!?  It&#8217;s just a word.  It&#8217;s not like I said goddammit), the don&#8217;t-want-to-go-to-hell Easter Only Christians, and all the rest.</p>
<div id="attachment_126" class="wp-caption aligncenter" style="width: 158px"><a href="http://www.laytheism.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/dob.gif"><img class="size-medium wp-image-126" title="Degrees of Belief Thermometer" src="http://www.laytheism.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/dob-148x300.gif" alt="Degrees of Belief" width="148" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Degrees of Belief</p></div>
<p>Comments?  Suggestions?</p>
<p>Or, maybe this was just a weird idea and I should scrap the whole thing.</p>
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